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[星子]

http://ibpc.webdelsol.com/

Christ won the first place.

Bernie won this month IBPC second place.
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[[ANNA]]

http://ibpc.webdelsol.com/

Christ won the first place.

Bernie won this month IBPC second place.
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[星子]

Thanks Emusing in Penshell, she nominated my poem, After Reading Ted Hughes' "Full Moon and Little Frieda".

Though it didn't win any place, I am still grateful.
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[[ANNA]]

Thanks Emusing in Penshell, she nominated my poem, After Reading Ted Hughes' "Full Moon and Little Frieda".

Though it didn't win any place, I am still grateful.
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[anna]

http://www.splashhall.org/2007/01/meet-bernard-henrie-aka-mojave.html

英文诗歌论坛上互不相让很久了，今天Google 才知道笔友Bernie真名

对于诗歌，Bernie 总是不余遗力地分析，比较。很多诗友喜欢他的建议。我把他的评论转帖了一些，因为能学到不了东西。

A few more of his poems.
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Anna Yin

《爱的灯塔-星子安娜双语诗选》
<Nightlights> <Seven Nights with the Chinese Zodiac> ...

http://annapoetry.com

[[星子安娜]]

http://www.splashhall.org/2007/01/meet-bernard-henrie-aka-mojave.html

英文诗歌论坛上互不相让很久了，今天Google 才知道笔友Bernie真名

对于诗歌，Bernie 总是不余遗力地分析，比较。很多诗友喜欢他的建议。我把他的评论转帖了一些，因为能学到不了东西。

A few more of his poems.
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Anna Yin

《爱的灯塔-星子安娜双语诗选》
<Nightlights> <Seven Nights with the Chinese Zodiac> ...

http://annapoetry.com

[anna]

valuable comments fro Bernie..



one trick to reading any poem is to make creative associations---especially more modern poems thought of as "post modern."




Ian Sansom in the Guardian on Muldoon…


"...postmodernism contents itself with allusion rather than conclusion,

Muldoon has an urge to encapsulate history. In an earlier long (very long) poem called ''Madoc: A Mystery'' he brought together the chronology of Western philosophy, the Lewis and Clark expedition, and the adventurous fantasies of Robert Southey (author of an unread epic entitled ''Madoc'') and Samuel Taylor Coleridge. ''Black Horse'' takes just such a flier at the universe, requiring readers not only to be light on their feet but to know about trebuckets and white-lipped peccaries. (A trebucket is a medieval catapult for hurling huge stones at an enemy. A peccary is a piglike animal with three toes on the hind feet, impure and ineligible to be eaten by Jews.) The dictionary will help, but for some of the allusions in this poem you'll need that university library...."


post-modernism assumes the reader has a vast and an eclectic reading and lifestyle---


books, poems, history, psychology, geography-travel, romance, medicine, culinary, political....


rigorous, huh?



your poems are post-romantic---love stories that not only end unhappily --- gothic and romantic---but love stories where the characters know they are doomed---the knowledge makes them post-romantic. that's why Dover Beach is the first post-modern poem---the speaker is so self-aware---

now, Paul Muldoon



Quote:
Tea

I was rooting through tea-chest after tea-chest
as they drifted in along Key West
when I chanced on ‘Pythagoras in America’:
the book had fallen open at a book-mark
of tea; a tassel
of black watered silk from a Missal;
of a tea-bird’s black tail-feather.
All I have in the house is some left-over
squid cooked in its own ink
and this unfortunate cup of tea. Take it. Drink.

–Paul Muldoon (b. 20 June 1951)




1. Missal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jun 1, 2009 ... A missal is a liturgical book containing all instructions and texts necessary for the celebration of Mass throughout the year



does it help to know that there is probably no book titled: Pythagoras in America’

that the poet is perfectly willing to play a little joke on us?

a joke, then the serious nature of the communioin he proposes---bitter tea---all that is left of his life---debris and rubbish, he offers with this cup of tea....

post-modern.

this poem is said to be the most read poem in england, by the most successful poet at this time:


Quote:
Prayer

Some days, although we cannot pray, a prayer
utters itself. So, a woman will lift
her head from the sieve of her hands and stare
at the minims sung by a tree, a sudden gift.

Some nights, although we are faithless, the truth
enters our hearts, that small familiar pain;
then a man will stand stock-still, hearing his youth
in the distant Latin chanting of a train.

Pray for us now. Grade 1 piano scales
console the lodger looking out across
a Midlands town. Then dusk, and someone calls
a child's name as though they named their loss.

Darkness outside. Inside, the radio's prayer -
Rockall. Malin. Dogger. Finisterre.

-- Carol Ann Duffy



Duffy calls upon that last line, the names of four seacoast cities of england, the cities form the final lines of the nightly sea areas of the shipping forecast issued by
the Meteorological Service, and broadcast by BBC Radio Four.

I have not yet been quite able to hear this in california, but i try at

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qfvv


one critic, diann blakely suggests:



"...Read it out loud and savour the words as they roll off your tongue!
There's a map of the shipping forecast areas at:

http://www.met-office.gov.uk/leisure/shiparea.html

The broadcast goes out at 12.30 and 05.30, so that you tend to catch it if
you can't sleep late at night or if you've woken up early, worrying - and
then you follow the coast of the British Isles in your mind's eye and
think of those working the dark sea areas, and sometimes you feel soothed..."

4:30 in california --- 7:30 EST.

my point, reading widely, linking our reading to a poem under cnsideratin---the best poets don't confuse us, they educate as they reward and thrill us.


a nobel prize winner has taken these cities of the met report, made a poem.

thanks for stopping by and for your comments.


mojave



shipping forecast


Wed May 17 2000 at 9:20:52

An item broadcast at regular intervals on BBC Radio 4, giving information on the weather for major shipping routes around the British Isles. Something of a hangover from the golden age of radio, it is always read out by a presenter with a perfect Queen's English accent and is completely incomprehensible to most landlubbers.)


An example of a shipping forecast would be:

The area forecasts for the next 24 hours:
Viking: Southeasterly 4, soon becoming cyclonic 5 to 7, occasionally gale 8, then southwesterly, decreasing 4 later. Rain then showers. Moderate or good.
North Utsire, South Utsire: south or southeast veering southwest, 4 or 5 increasing 6 to gale 8 for a time. Occasional rain. Moderate becoming good.
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Anna Yin

《爱的灯塔-星子安娜双语诗选》
<Nightlights> <Seven Nights with the Chinese Zodiac> ...

http://annapoetry.com

[[星子安娜]]

valuable comments fro Bernie..



one trick to reading any poem is to make creative associations---especially more modern poems thought of as "post modern."




Ian Sansom in the Guardian on Muldoon…


"...postmodernism contents itself with allusion rather than conclusion,

Muldoon has an urge to encapsulate history. In an earlier long (very long) poem called ''Madoc: A Mystery'' he brought together the chronology of Western philosophy, the Lewis and Clark expedition, and the adventurous fantasies of Robert Southey (author of an unread epic entitled ''Madoc'') and Samuel Taylor Coleridge. ''Black Horse'' takes just such a flier at the universe, requiring readers not only to be light on their feet but to know about trebuckets and white-lipped peccaries. (A trebucket is a medieval catapult for hurling huge stones at an enemy. A peccary is a piglike animal with three toes on the hind feet, impure and ineligible to be eaten by Jews.) The dictionary will help, but for some of the allusions in this poem you'll need that university library...."


post-modernism assumes the reader has a vast and an eclectic reading and lifestyle---


books, poems, history, psychology, geography-travel, romance, medicine, culinary, political....


rigorous, huh?



your poems are post-romantic---love stories that not only end unhappily --- gothic and romantic---but love stories where the characters know they are doomed---the knowledge makes them post-romantic. that's why Dover Beach is the first post-modern poem---the speaker is so self-aware---

now, Paul Muldoon



Quote:
Tea

I was rooting through tea-chest after tea-chest
as they drifted in along Key West
when I chanced on ‘Pythagoras in America’:
the book had fallen open at a book-mark
of tea; a tassel
of black watered silk from a Missal;
of a tea-bird’s black tail-feather.
All I have in the house is some left-over
squid cooked in its own ink
and this unfortunate cup of tea. Take it. Drink.

–Paul Muldoon (b. 20 June 1951)




1. Missal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jun 1, 2009 ... A missal is a liturgical book containing all instructions and texts necessary for the celebration of Mass throughout the year



does it help to know that there is probably no book titled: Pythagoras in America’

that the poet is perfectly willing to play a little joke on us?

a joke, then the serious nature of the communioin he proposes---bitter tea---all that is left of his life---debris and rubbish, he offers with this cup of tea....

post-modern.

this poem is said to be the most read poem in england, by the most successful poet at this time:


Quote:
Prayer

Some days, although we cannot pray, a prayer
utters itself. So, a woman will lift
her head from the sieve of her hands and stare
at the minims sung by a tree, a sudden gift.

Some nights, although we are faithless, the truth
enters our hearts, that small familiar pain;
then a man will stand stock-still, hearing his youth
in the distant Latin chanting of a train.

Pray for us now. Grade 1 piano scales
console the lodger looking out across
a Midlands town. Then dusk, and someone calls
a child's name as though they named their loss.

Darkness outside. Inside, the radio's prayer -
Rockall. Malin. Dogger. Finisterre.

-- Carol Ann Duffy



Duffy calls upon that last line, the names of four seacoast cities of england, the cities form the final lines of the nightly sea areas of the shipping forecast issued by
the Meteorological Service, and broadcast by BBC Radio Four.

I have not yet been quite able to hear this in california, but i try at

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qfvv


one critic, diann blakely suggests:



"...Read it out loud and savour the words as they roll off your tongue!
There's a map of the shipping forecast areas at:

http://www.met-office.gov.uk/leisure/shiparea.html

The broadcast goes out at 12.30 and 05.30, so that you tend to catch it if
you can't sleep late at night or if you've woken up early, worrying - and
then you follow the coast of the British Isles in your mind's eye and
think of those working the dark sea areas, and sometimes you feel soothed..."

4:30 in california --- 7:30 EST.

my point, reading widely, linking our reading to a poem under cnsideratin---the best poets don't confuse us, they educate as they reward and thrill us.


a nobel prize winner has taken these cities of the met report, made a poem.

thanks for stopping by and for your comments.


mojave



shipping forecast


Wed May 17 2000 at 9:20:52

An item broadcast at regular intervals on BBC Radio 4, giving information on the weather for major shipping routes around the British Isles. Something of a hangover from the golden age of radio, it is always read out by a presenter with a perfect Queen's English accent and is completely incomprehensible to most landlubbers.)


An example of a shipping forecast would be:

The area forecasts for the next 24 hours:
Viking: Southeasterly 4, soon becoming cyclonic 5 to 7, occasionally gale 8, then southwesterly, decreasing 4 later. Rain then showers. Moderate or good.
North Utsire, South Utsire: south or southeast veering southwest, 4 or 5 increasing 6 to gale 8 for a time. Occasional rain. Moderate becoming good.
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---------------------

Anna Yin

《爱的灯塔-星子安娜双语诗选》
<Nightlights> <Seven Nights with the Chinese Zodiac> ...

http://annapoetry.com