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帖子发表于: 星期三 八月 27, 2008 7:14 pm    发表主题: Conversations with Father (revised) 引用并回复

Conversations with Father co-written by ericcoliu


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Father, how can I get out of this limbo state?
My dear child, behold and see what lies ahead of you.
I see nothing.
Close your eyes, and open your heart.
Oh! Father, I ...
Enough! My child, just go ahead step by step to pass the time.


II

Father, I have a brain tumour.
My dear child, are you scared?
Yes, I'm going to die.
Me too.
Oh, Father! What do you have?
A body.
I don’t understand.
My dear child, we all have bodies
Which give birth so that another is born,
Eating, drinking, defecating,
And unashamedly, sick and dying.

But I’m scared, Father. What should I do?
Enough! My child, just go ahead step by step to pass the time.


最后进行编辑的是 christine on 星期二 九月 16, 2008 7:15 pm, 总计第 2 次编辑
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帖子发表于: 星期三 八月 27, 2008 7:42 pm    发表主题: 引用并回复

Interesting conversation with some wisdom. Though not sure if Father is the birth parent or a priest. But either way, it works for me.

Something insignificant from me - 'Shut up! ' sounds a bit too strong and abrupt compared with 'my dear child'. Would you consider something else?

A thoughtful read.
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帖子发表于: 星期四 八月 28, 2008 7:28 am    发表主题: 引用并回复

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Interesting conversation with some wisdom. Though not sure if Father is the birth parent or a priest. But either way, it works for me.



I think he is a priest.

I cry out to Him in the dark, but no one seems to be there.


Conversation with a Priest is inspired by and appropriated from a monologue uttered by the anguished Knight in The Seventh Seal:


Priest: Now, do you have your faith in God?

Eric: ggNo, I don't. More correctly speaking, I can't.

Priest: why?

Eric: ggI want to have more concrete proof about God's existence.

Priest: You want a 100% guarantee?

Eric: ggCall it whatever you like. Is it so cruelly inconceivable to grasp God with human senses and intelligence? Why should he hide himself in a mist of half-spoken promises and unseen miracles?

Priest doesn't answer, and immerses himself in a state of contemplation.

Eric: ggHow can we have faith in those who believe when we can't have faith in ourselves? What is going to happen to those of us who want to believe but aren't able to? And what is to become of those who neither want to nor are capable of believing?

Eric pauses for a moment and waits for a reply. No response from the priest.

Eric: ggWhy can't I kill God within me? He keeps constantly haunting me. Is He going to become a baffling reality that I can't shake off? Do you hear me, or does he hear me?

Priest: Yes, I hear you and I believe He hears you as well.
Eric: ggI cry out to Him in the dark, but no one seems to be there.

Priest: He is here now. Have faith in Him.

Silence falls.
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Something insignificant from me - 'Shut up! ' sounds a bit too strong and abrupt compared with 'my dear child'. Would you consider something else?

A thoughtful read.


I concur.
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I think he is a priest.

I cry out to Him in the dark, but no one seems to be there.




Yes, he, at least emotionally and psychologically, wasn't present with the speaker.
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Yes, he, at least emotionally and psychologically, wasn't present with the speaker.


Yes.

Below is my version of Conversations with Father:
(Christine, I hope you don't mind I re-write your poem)


I


Father, how can I get out of this limbo state?
My dear child, behold and see what lies ahead of you.
I see nothing.
Close your eyes, and open your heart.
Oh! Father, I ...
Enough!
My child, just go ahead step by step to pass the time.


II

Father, I have a brain tumour.
My dear child, are you scared?
Yes, I'm going to die.
Me too.
Oh, Father! What do you have?
A body.
I don’t understand.
My dear child, we all have bodies
Which give birth so that another is born,
Eating, drinking, defecating,
And unashamedly, sick and dying.
But I’m scared, Father. What should I do?
Enough!
My child, just go ahead step by step to pass the time.
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Something insignificant from me - 'Shut up! ' sounds a bit too strong and abrupt compared with 'my dear child'. Would you consider something else?

A thoughtful read.


I concur.


Yes, thanks for your suggestions.

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I think he is a priest.

I cry out to Him in the dark, but no one seems to be there.




Yes, he, at least emotionally and psychologically, wasn't present with the speaker.


Yes, you got a hold of one of the key issues discussed in my poem.
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Below is my version of Conversations with Father:
(Christine, I hope you don't mind I re-write your poem)


I


Father, how can I get out of this limbo state?
My dear child, behold and see what lies ahead of you.
I see nothing.
Close your eyes, and open your heart.
Oh! Father, I ...
Enough!
My child, just go ahead step by step to pass the time.


II

Father, I have a brain tumour.
My dear child, are you scared?
Yes, I'm going to die.
Me too.
Oh, Father! What do you have?
A body.
I don’t understand.
My dear child, we all have bodies
Which give birth so that another is born,
Eating, drinking, defecating,
And unashamedly, sick and dying.
But I’m scared, Father. What should I do?
Enough!
My child, just go ahead step by step to pass the time.


Your version is better than mine. Let's co/re-write Conversations with Father.
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帖子发表于: 星期二 九月 02, 2008 7:21 pm    发表主题: 引用并回复

Hi! Eric:

I just wonder if narrative repetition works in the poem.
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I think it works well.

The repetition of the concluding lines as a unifying device is used generally to bind lines together into or to set up relationships within the poem.
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Conversation with a Priest, II is inspired by and appropriated from a conversation between a communicant contemplating suicide and a priest suffering a severe crisis of faith in Winter Light:


Eric: The passion of Christ, his suffering is futile.
Priest: What do you mean?
Eric: Just think of Gethsemane, Priest. All of his disciples fell asleep. They hadn't understood the meaning of the last supper, or anything. When the Roman soldiers came to arrest him, they ran away and Peter denied him. Jesus had known his disciples for three years and they had lived and worked together day in and day out, but they never grasped what he meant. In one of most crucial moments of his life, they all abandoned him. That must have been very painful when he realized that no one understood his message and that he was left alone when he desperately needed someone he could rely on. But the worse was yet to come. When Jesus was nailed to the cross and hung there in torment, he cried out as loud as he could, "God, my God! Why have you forsaken me?" His heavenly father had also abandoned him. At the final moment of his life, he believed everything he'd ever preached was a lie. He was seized by doubt. Surely that must have been his greatest hardship. God's silence.
Priest: Yes, …

Some words unrecognizably uttered from Priest’s mouth. Pause for moments.

Priest: We must believe something or someone and we must LIVE.
Eric: WHY must we live?

Priest says nothing and lowers his eyes.
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Are Conversation with a Priest I & II theologically-charged narrative versions of Conversations with Father?
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Surely, they are.

Eric just couldn't get over his struggle with residual Christian influence.
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Eric just couldn't get over his struggle with residual Christian influence.


Yes, now, you can read my heart and mind.

Hi! Christine:

After reading and thinking about your poem, maybe now our poem, for a second time, I think I would do italics to separate the voices though it is clear which is which.
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Yes, a good suggestion.

I've revised the poem and combined the last two lines into one line.
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