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发表于: 星期三 六月 18, 2008 12:48 pm 发表主题: |
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The key flawness in Paul's review of your poetry book is that he has no clues about what the big difference between allusion and collage is and about what postmodernism is. Then, he uses his review of your poetry as a springboard to launch a vicious attack on his so-called postmodernist literature generally and Margaret Atwood's work particularly. Do you really read through and understand his review? Just ask anyone who teaches literature in the academic setting about his review
I'm serious about every word I've posted on this forum. For anyone who wants to be a serious writer, he/she should be attentive and sensitive to every word he/she or anyone else wrote.
However, I fully get your point. Thanks for you time spent on reading and commenting my work. |
I read that but I don't agree with you that Paul had his vicious plan.
How strange you talked, "Vicious", why? What is the good for him? For me, I think he just used that as a sample to show the trend of Canadian works.
How Paul chose to write it is Paul's decision not mine. I never outlined the content when they wrote the reviews. I thank them but never say that I totally agree with them. Right? _________________ ---------------------
Anna Yin
《爱的灯塔-星子安娜双语诗选》
<Nightlights> <Seven Nights with the Chinese Zodiac> ...
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发表于: 星期三 六月 18, 2008 1:08 pm 发表主题: |
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anna 写到: | I read that and know that. But if Paul chose to write it is Paul's decision not mine. I never outlined the content when they wrote the reviews. I thank them but never say that I totally agree with them. Right? |
Yes, I like your attitude. At the moment, we don't agree with each other's viewpoint.
However, you want to improve your writing; at least, in my view, be an attentive and demanding reader of the reviews of your work. Ask your reviewers the hard and difficult questions about your work.
Not just "taking or tossing it at one's discretion." _________________ Time is nothing but a disquiet of the soul
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发表于: 星期三 六月 18, 2008 1:44 pm 发表主题: Re: The NeverEnding Story (a writerly poem, many versions of |
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Which version do you like better? “a” or “the” version. Or a version of a mixed use of "a" and "the."
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It's not a question of "if someone else wrote this, you as the reader, what do you get," but a question of "what am I, as a reader of The NeverEnding Story, going to write another version of it based on my view of the establishment: support, opposition, suspicion, or indifference."
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Yes, well said.
My Version of The NeverEnding Story
Once there was a school.
In the school there was the classroom.
In the classroom was the young teacher
1.Reciting the story:
'Once there was a school
In the school there was the classroom …’
By the way, throughout your heated and heart-to-heart discussions with Anna, why did you think, speak, and write like an angry teacher? I just wonder ... |
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ericcoliu[ericcoliu] ericcoliu作品集 二品总督 (刚入二品,小心做人)
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发表于: 星期三 六月 18, 2008 10:55 pm 发表主题: Re: The NeverEnding Story (a writerly poem, many versions of |
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My Version of The NeverEnding Story
Once there was a school.
In the school there was the classroom.
In the classroom was the young teacher
1.Reciting the story:
'Once there was a school
In the school there was the classroom …’
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A school of standardized education.
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By the way, throughout your heated and heart-to-heart discussions with Anna, why did you think, speak, and write like an angry teacher? I just wonder |
I wonder where you got this impression.
In her interview with James Deahl, Anna included a link to the interview with Mr. Deahl by Terry Barker and in it , Mr. Deahl once lamented, "I have long said - and I’ll say it again - the greatest block to the development of a truly great culture in Canada has been our almost complete lack of intelligent and insightful criticism."
To me, it's the same if you just replace Canada with China (surely including coviews). _________________ Time is nothing but a disquiet of the soul |
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星子[ANNA] 星子作品集 酷我!I made it!
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发表于: 星期四 六月 19, 2008 8:41 am 发表主题: |
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In Fact, I read Atwood's book. She said she got many kinds of criticisms from Canadian side.
Most she never bother to read. because she was busy on her next work and had no time to react to those criticisms.
Here I am not saying to ignore the criticism, but you know yourself better than the others, so you should know what is right for you.
Any review or comment represents a kind of view from the outside, to a true writer, he knows his inside too. He will not be trapped or spoiled by them, bad or good comments.
BTW, thanks for the film recommended. I will bring Jason to watch. _________________
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发表于: 星期四 六月 19, 2008 8:59 am 发表主题: |
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Hi! 星子:
I'm not here to discuss your or Atwood's (as writer's ) attitude towards the harsh or critical criticisms of your work. My focal point is that you as a reader (surely I know you cherish more your status of being a writer) should be more attentive and demanding readers of the reviews of your work.
If you carefully read through Barker's and Paul's reviews of your poetry, you as a critical reader will discover that your poetry is just a mirror of their literary viewpoints. Remember, I'm not here to discuss the quality of your poetry, but to discuss the sensibility and criticality of your reading capability. I apologize in advance if I say something to hurt your feeling.
Atwood has done a great job to establish herself as a critical and attentive reader of Canadian literature generally (Survival: A Thematic Guide to Canadian Literature) and of her own writing and of the reviews of her writing (Negotiating with the Dead: A Writer on Writing, a good read on writing).
In my view, a writer must be a good reader while a good reader is not necessarily inspired to be a writer. _________________ Time is nothing but a disquiet of the soul |
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星子[ANNA] 星子作品集 酷我!I made it!
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发表于: 星期四 六月 19, 2008 9:38 am 发表主题: |
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Hi Eric,
I guess you misunderstand my point here.
I mean there are many good comments or bad comments, it is up to the writer to take them or not.
During my classes, my teacher always told us, how to read comments or toss them.
I mentioned Atwood no other intention, just because I read hers and remember what she said.
And since you mentioned the review on my poetry first, so we began a good discussion.
I know what you think, really I guess you should say those words to Paul, not me. I never compare my works with hers. But I dare to write or mention anyone in my poem. I think Paul admires her too. He used her as a sample, just mention the trend of Canadian works.
you said,
If you carefully read through Marker's and Paul's reviews of your poetry, you as a critical reader will discover that your poetry is just a mirror of their literary viewpoint.
If so, I already said to you, it is their views, not mine. And as I know, Terry is very different from Paul. And their understanding of Chinese culture is different too. Besides, there are many other reviews too. Some never know Chinese culture; they are reading me more like a universal individual. So I am very happy to have many different mirroring. But don’t worry, they never spoiled me, I know myself and that is why I take more courses.
You ask me to be a careful reader, I already proved you by picking up that misunderstanding term you made intentionally.
I like poems that touch me and appealing, I also understand there are many different styles or poems. But I do allow myself choose what I like and what I dislike.
BTW I am happy to discuss this, since I know it is better to say it out.
and the very interesting thing is here you ask me to be a good reader ... to think of writer's works, I ask you to be a good poet... to think of the writer's voice to be heard...
Thanks for the discussion. _________________
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发表于: 星期四 六月 19, 2008 10:12 am 发表主题: |
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and the very interesting thing is here you ask me to be a good reader ... to think of writer's works, I ask you to be a writer... to think of the writer's voice to be heard...
Thanks for the discussion. |
Your points well taken. Good suggestion and solid conclusion.
Best wishes to your future work. I love to see a writer of one's own ( in the critical sense). _________________ Time is nothing but a disquiet of the soul |
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发表于: 星期四 六月 19, 2008 1:35 pm 发表主题: Re: The NeverEnding Story (a writerly poem, many versions of |
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By the way, throughout your heated and heart-to-heart discussions with Anna, why did you think, speak, and write like an angry teacher? I just wonder |
I wonder where you got this impression.
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ericcoliu 写到: |
Please, fear not, and point out my flawness and mistakes in writing and thinking. I'll truly thank you for doing so. |
Teacher: ericcoliu 写到: |
An old story needs to be read from a new perspective,
Don’t forget the BIG DIFFERENCE between a text and a context.
Before I answer your question, you need to ask yourself what the key functional difference it is between a temple and a school in terms of edification of the people.
Now, one question for you, what semantic and social differences are caused by the choice of different articles in the case of The NeverEnding Story?
I intentionally made this mistake to see if anyone, who read or commented my pieces, would raise the question and find out the answer. Too many "thanks for sharing, " "thanks for the comment," "thanks" are floating on this forum. I respect you deep from the bottom of my heart for pointing out my intentional mistake.
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Please, be an attentive and demanding reader of ericcoliu's words, and more importantly, of his/her tone revealed in his words. _________________ 舌頭那匹温暖的水獸 馴養地在小小的水族箱中 蠕動
那獸說:是的 我願意 |
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发表于: 星期四 六月 19, 2008 1:36 pm 发表主题: Re: The NeverEnding Story (a writerly poem, many versions of |
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ericcoliu 写到: |
christine 写到: |
By the way, throughout your heated and heart-to-heart discussions with Anna, why did you think, speak, and write like an angry teacher? I just wonder |
I wonder where you got this impression.
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ericcoliu 写到: |
Please, fear not, and point out my flawness and mistakes in writing and thinking. I'll truly thank you for doing so. |
Teacher: ericcoliu 写到: |
An old story needs to be read from a new perspective,
Don’t forget the BIG DIFFERENCE between a text and a context.
Before I answer your question, you need to ask yourself what the key functional difference it is between a temple and a school in terms of edification of the people.
Now, one question for you, what semantic and social differences are caused by the choice of different articles in the case of The NeverEnding Story?
I intentionally made this mistake to see if anyone, who read or commented my pieces, would raise the question and find out the answer. Too many "thanks for sharing, " "thanks for the comment," "thanks" are floating on this forum. I respect you deep from the bottom of my heart for pointing out my intentional mistake.
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Please, be an attentive and demanding reader of ericcoliu's words, and more importantly, of his/her tone revealed in his words.
However, I love this angry Teacher who is so serious about everything related to writing and reading. More Importantly, I support his view on writing and reading. On this forum, too many writers of his/her own and few attentive critics.
Next time when you want to have a serious discussion with anyone, please turn down your voice. _________________ 舌頭那匹温暖的水獸 馴養地在小小的水族箱中 蠕動
那獸說:是的 我願意 |
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ericcoliu 写到: | Which version do you like better? “a” or “the” version. Or a version of a mixed use of "a" and "the."
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It's a writerly poem, right? Sorry, I don't care about your rules or suggestions.
My Version of The NeverEnding Story
Once there was the school.
In the school there was the classroom.
In the classroom was the old teacher
Reciting a story:
'Once there was the school
In the school there was the classroom …’ _________________ 舌頭那匹温暖的水獸 馴養地在小小的水族箱中 蠕動
那獸說:是的 我願意 |
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发表于: 星期五 六月 20, 2008 9:37 am 发表主题: Re: The NeverEnding Story (a writerly poem, many versions of |
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However, I love this angry Teacher who is so serious about everything related to writing and reading. More Importantly, I support his view on writing and reading. On this forum, too many writers of his/her own and few attentive critics.
Next time when you want to have a serious discussion with anyone, please turn down your voice. |
Yes, Teacher 温暖的水獸, the very word of your insightful instruction will be perfectly followed by your no longer angry student. _________________ Time is nothing but a disquiet of the soul |
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It's a writerly poem, right? Sorry, I don't care about your rules or suggestions.
My Version of The NeverEnding Story
Once there was the school.
In the school there was the classroom.
In the classroom was the old teacher
Reciting a story:
'Once there was the school
In the school there was the classroom …’
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Yes, it's a writerly poem. You can re-write it as you want.
The school of authoritarian education? _________________ Time is nothing but a disquiet of the soul |
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发表于: 星期六 六月 21, 2008 11:13 am 发表主题: Re: The NeverEnding Story (a writerly poem, many versions of |
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By the way, throughout your heated and heart-to-heart discussions with Anna, why did you think, speak, and write like an angry teacher? I just wonder |
I wonder where you got this impression.
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ericcoliu 写到: |
Please, fear not, and point out my flawness and mistakes in writing and thinking. I'll truly thank you for doing so. |
Teacher: ericcoliu 写到: |
An old story needs to be read from a new perspective,
Don’t forget the BIG DIFFERENCE between a text and a context.
Before I answer your question, you need to ask yourself what the key functional difference it is between a temple and a school in terms of edification of the people.
Now, one question for you, what semantic and social differences are caused by the choice of different articles in the case of The NeverEnding Story?
I intentionally made this mistake to see if anyone, who read or commented my pieces, would raise the question and find out the answer. Too many "thanks for sharing, " "thanks for the comment," "thanks" are floating on this forum. I respect you deep from the bottom of my heart for pointing out my intentional mistake.
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Please, be an attentive and demanding reader of ericcoliu's words, and more importantly, of his/her tone revealed in his words.
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One thing I want to make clear is that to situate the texts you quoted above into the con-text where our discussions took place.
Anyway, thank you for your comment and instruction _________________ Time is nothing but a disquiet of the soul |
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发表于: 星期一 六月 23, 2008 8:55 am 发表主题: Re: The NeverEnding Story (a writerly poem, many versions of |
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My Version of The NeverEnding Story
Once there was a school.
In the school there was a classroom.
In the classroom was a young teacher
Reciting a story:
'Once there was a school
In the school there was a classroom …’
A teacher who believes in rote-memorization education. _________________ Time is nothing but a disquiet of the soul |
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